1 00:00:08,695 --> 00:00:12,895 Hello and welcome to the ADHD Goals podcast. 2 00:00:12,925 --> 00:00:18,115 Now I think we have got a first today we've got our first returning 3 00:00:18,415 --> 00:00:21,115 guest, and it is Stephanie Ward. 4 00:00:21,475 --> 00:00:26,365 She is of the, spicy Brain Collective, and she was on, a couple of months 5 00:00:26,365 --> 00:00:31,905 ago telling us about, how she helps ADHD entrepreneurs and, neurodiverse. 6 00:00:32,380 --> 00:00:37,070 Entrepreneurs with their online businesses So go and check that episode out if 7 00:00:37,070 --> 00:00:38,360 you haven't listened to it already. 8 00:00:38,700 --> 00:00:44,650 and she is back because we want to talk about ai, but also we've 9 00:00:44,650 --> 00:00:48,130 just been chatting before we hit record and a lot has happened 10 00:00:50,170 --> 00:00:52,060 for Steph since we last spoke. 11 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,250 So, how are you today, Steph? 12 00:00:55,270 --> 00:00:57,310 Better than I've been for a while, I think. 13 00:00:57,310 --> 00:00:59,110 'cause they're probably the best way of describing it. 14 00:00:59,110 --> 00:01:01,000 Yeah, everything's been a bit chaotic. 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,280 Might have run away with the circus, but I am back now. 16 00:01:03,535 --> 00:01:09,525 Yeah, I mean there was quite a few, exciting is maybe a word I would use. 17 00:01:09,595 --> 00:01:10,285 things that have gone on. 18 00:01:10,525 --> 00:01:13,915 I just wonder how many, how much of that you wanna share with the 19 00:01:13,915 --> 00:01:16,165 listeners to just keep them up to date. 20 00:01:16,435 --> 00:01:19,705 Yeah, I think I've had the most ADHD summer ever. 21 00:01:20,425 --> 00:01:23,935 so I did this really cool business project up in Scotland 22 00:01:23,935 --> 00:01:25,435 with a very old friend of mine. 23 00:01:25,485 --> 00:01:26,205 very fun. 24 00:01:26,910 --> 00:01:30,000 I came back from that with some quite profound realizations. 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,360 I think when we get to sit in silence and let our brains process, I actually 26 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,570 got a nap during the day 'cause we were doing like bushcraft and I don't 27 00:01:36,570 --> 00:01:38,460 do outdoors, so I had a daytime nap. 28 00:01:38,460 --> 00:01:41,730 So I'm very much relaxed in a deep level and I realized that 29 00:01:41,730 --> 00:01:43,200 things at home weren't quite what. 30 00:01:44,265 --> 00:01:47,055 What I would've expected at this point in my life, and there was a 31 00:01:47,055 --> 00:01:50,685 moment where I realized that I'd actually learned to be helpless in my 32 00:01:50,685 --> 00:01:52,335 personal relationship with my partner. 33 00:01:52,785 --> 00:01:55,665 And I decided on a whim, just one day. 34 00:01:55,665 --> 00:01:56,940 There was a one minor. 35 00:01:57,840 --> 00:01:58,440 Conversation. 36 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:00,330 And the next thing I know, I've broken up with the man I've been with for 37 00:02:00,330 --> 00:02:05,000 12 years three hours later I booked a flight to San Diego to spend a week with 38 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,410 someone I've met twice in real life. 39 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,420 a guy called David Fagan, who's a talent agent for top talent. 40 00:02:09,810 --> 00:02:13,530 And I just spent like a week just going round events. 41 00:02:13,530 --> 00:02:16,170 I went to an event with the fabulous Lisa Nichols. 42 00:02:16,170 --> 00:02:19,050 If you haven't seen the things she does, go and check her out. 43 00:02:19,050 --> 00:02:20,130 She's wonderful. 44 00:02:20,470 --> 00:02:24,010 I ended up going over to Temecula, say a friend Diane, who was 45 00:02:24,010 --> 00:02:25,540 filming a TV show that day. 46 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,600 I hung out with my friend Helmut, who was gonna be the mayor of Atlanta 47 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,630 in Georgia, just 'cause he randomly happened to be at the same event. 48 00:02:32,060 --> 00:02:36,230 and I've got really good friends, a lady called Melanie Soay who does humanitarian 49 00:02:36,230 --> 00:02:40,370 aid trips in South Africa, and it turns out she used to be the deputy District 50 00:02:40,370 --> 00:02:41,900 Attorney for Los Angeles County. 51 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:42,410 Right. 52 00:02:42,830 --> 00:02:45,720 And she's just this Feral woman who just she's like the pied Piper. 53 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,870 If Melanie says, come, you follow, and you don't ask too many questions about it. 54 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,060 So we just had the best time. 55 00:02:51,060 --> 00:02:55,350 We went to the Grand Canyon National Park and sat on a cliff 400 feet in the air. 56 00:02:55,820 --> 00:02:58,760 yeah, it was just the most relaxing thing I could have done. 57 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:00,190 so I'm back from that. 58 00:03:00,190 --> 00:03:02,715 I've been at a few conferences and events since, because that's. 59 00:03:03,340 --> 00:03:04,240 How I move. 60 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,760 But yeah, breaking up with my boyfriend and running away with a 61 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:09,550 circus was not on my 2025 Bingo card. 62 00:03:09,550 --> 00:03:12,430 So I've got a lot to figure out right now 'cause I've realized 63 00:03:12,430 --> 00:03:13,660 I've got no game with boys. 64 00:03:13,660 --> 00:03:15,490 So that's a whole situation. 65 00:03:16,345 --> 00:03:17,570 being in the news at all, 66 00:03:18,175 --> 00:03:18,895 Oh yes. 67 00:03:18,895 --> 00:03:19,405 And that. 68 00:03:19,635 --> 00:03:23,305 so yes, after I got back from the us, I had seen some rumblings online about 69 00:03:23,305 --> 00:03:28,135 our lovely friend Donald Trump and his stance on paracetamol causing autism. 70 00:03:28,425 --> 00:03:31,185 and I got a message from Metro News on the Monday saying, do 71 00:03:31,185 --> 00:03:32,445 you have an opinion on this? 72 00:03:32,445 --> 00:03:33,975 I was like, do I have an opinion? 73 00:03:34,155 --> 00:03:34,575 Yes. 74 00:03:35,005 --> 00:03:36,925 so I wrote a piece the day before it broke. 75 00:03:37,005 --> 00:03:39,165 Essentially with my views, but I had to stay up for the live 76 00:03:39,165 --> 00:03:41,835 broadcast because I wanted to make sure what I said reflected it. 77 00:03:41,835 --> 00:03:46,485 And honestly, I was horrified at what he was saying because not only has he said 78 00:03:46,485 --> 00:03:51,165 that something is harmless as paracetamol, which has been repeatedly shown in both 79 00:03:51,495 --> 00:03:55,935 independent studies, sibling studies, peer reviewed studies, not to cause any kind 80 00:03:55,935 --> 00:03:57,930 of neurodevelopmental issues whatsoever. 81 00:03:58,535 --> 00:04:02,375 He also revived all of the Andrew Wakefield research around the MMR vaccine. 82 00:04:02,375 --> 00:04:05,985 That was around sort of the 19 98, 19 99, timeframe. 83 00:04:05,985 --> 00:04:08,805 And it's the reason that my own brother wasn't vaccinated, because my 84 00:04:08,805 --> 00:04:10,455 mother thought it would cause autism. 85 00:04:10,605 --> 00:04:13,635 and I think it's a very damaging narrative to have out there. 86 00:04:13,665 --> 00:04:17,505 And I, my personal stance is stop trying to find out what caused me and 87 00:04:17,505 --> 00:04:19,455 just celebrate the magic that is me. 88 00:04:19,635 --> 00:04:23,395 Because I think the autistic brain and the way the condition presents in 89 00:04:23,395 --> 00:04:25,405 people can bring some really powerful. 90 00:04:25,690 --> 00:04:29,500 Useful skills to the workforce as much as anything else, but it makes 91 00:04:29,500 --> 00:04:32,800 some really interesting people and I just really wish that they would stop 92 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,130 trying to find a cause for it and just let us live our lives, stop treating 93 00:04:36,130 --> 00:04:39,940 us like some health crisis and just let us be the beautiful humans we are. 94 00:04:39,940 --> 00:04:41,500 So that was in Metro? 95 00:04:41,500 --> 00:04:44,110 It was online and it was also published twice in print. 96 00:04:44,110 --> 00:04:45,490 So I've got it on my wall now. 97 00:04:45,490 --> 00:04:46,330 I'm so excited. 98 00:04:46,540 --> 00:04:49,180 I had most of my friends trying to find the paper that day 99 00:04:49,180 --> 00:04:50,140 just so I could have a coffee. 100 00:04:50,555 --> 00:04:53,845 Yeah, I think you know that paracetamol thing as well. 101 00:04:53,845 --> 00:04:55,665 I mean there's also another way to. 102 00:04:56,610 --> 00:04:58,140 look at what they're doing there as well. 103 00:04:58,140 --> 00:05:03,780 and I think it, it goes along parallel to sort of that traditional family thing that 104 00:05:03,780 --> 00:05:08,660 they've got going on where, a woman should be, there to give birth and stay at home. 105 00:05:08,930 --> 00:05:12,880 and, taking things to make, pregnancy easier is bad 'cause 106 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,620 you're gonna give your, child autism. 107 00:05:15,830 --> 00:05:17,870 I think that's another thing that they're sort of. 108 00:05:19,325 --> 00:05:23,605 Sort of pushing as well, and I think that's, yeah, it's all a bit scary, I 109 00:05:23,695 --> 00:05:24,175 Yeah. 110 00:05:24,970 --> 00:05:27,480 It's, they're just, basically what they've done is they've created 111 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:29,880 another stick for society to beat women with is what they've done. 112 00:05:29,980 --> 00:05:33,390 already torture ourselves enough during pregnancy because oh my goodness, is 113 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:38,160 being in the car too long gonna mean I inhale gases and damage my child, or I 114 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,830 can't eat blue cheese 'cause my child might die and I can't do this because 115 00:05:40,830 --> 00:05:45,180 I might sabotage my pregnancy and I can't exercise because I might tense 116 00:05:45,180 --> 00:05:47,010 too hard and break my waters like. 117 00:05:47,655 --> 00:05:51,375 We are scared enough during pregnancy without them taking away. 118 00:05:51,375 --> 00:05:55,545 The one thing we can use pain relief because pregnancy is not very comfortable. 119 00:05:55,545 --> 00:05:58,065 I dunno if you've ever carried a bowling ball around on your crotch, 120 00:05:58,065 --> 00:05:59,445 but that's what it feels like. 121 00:05:59,655 --> 00:06:02,415 I had a large child and my hips went at. 122 00:06:03,105 --> 00:06:04,065 26 weeks. 123 00:06:04,065 --> 00:06:07,135 So I was on crutches on, actually, I was on tramadol when I was pregnant 124 00:06:07,435 --> 00:06:10,825 because I was in excruciating pain for nearly three months. 125 00:06:11,035 --> 00:06:13,915 I had to have an emergency C-section because I, it got to a point where 126 00:06:13,915 --> 00:06:17,245 I was in so much pain I could barely get to the bathroom and. 127 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,610 I started the Tramadol around for the 32 week mark. 128 00:06:20,610 --> 00:06:23,700 Before that, I was only on paracetamol and that was the only reprieve I got 129 00:06:23,850 --> 00:06:25,860 was my four times a day paracetamol. 130 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,120 And it didn't make my son autistic. 131 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:29,350 Do you know what made my son autistic? 132 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:33,880 Me and my ex-husband who can tell you what A BMW is, even if it's de 133 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:35,350 badged based on the allo wheels. 134 00:06:35,530 --> 00:06:39,130 So I feel like that might be the reason they're not the paracetamol. 135 00:06:39,335 --> 00:06:39,625 Yeah. 136 00:06:39,730 --> 00:06:44,050 it's not as if, it's also suggesting that being autistic is wrong or 137 00:06:44,050 --> 00:06:47,900 something, that if you had the choice not to be, you wouldn't, it's no, it's a 138 00:06:47,900 --> 00:06:50,330 different way of being and that's fine. 139 00:06:51,015 --> 00:06:51,215 Yeah. 140 00:06:51,380 --> 00:06:57,215 it's just more a case of let's make sure the society we live in room for everybody. 141 00:06:57,845 --> 00:06:58,175 Yeah. 142 00:06:58,265 --> 00:07:01,085 And there's more than enough space for all of us to be exactly who we are. 143 00:07:01,115 --> 00:07:04,745 Stop trying to find the cause and spend the money on putting the right adjustments 144 00:07:04,745 --> 00:07:08,255 in so that we can be the valuable members of society that we already are, 145 00:07:08,345 --> 00:07:09,575 that we're just not celebrated for. 146 00:07:11,015 --> 00:07:18,395 And so as a segue into the topic of today's episode, there are some tools 147 00:07:18,605 --> 00:07:23,535 that we could use that, in this society that we live in, that the expectations of 148 00:07:23,535 --> 00:07:25,665 what people should be able to do at work. 149 00:07:26,105 --> 00:07:29,525 we're in the neurodiverse space there's lots of things that 150 00:07:29,525 --> 00:07:36,765 people can struggle with, and has the, the possibility to help. 151 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:38,280 Let's do that. 152 00:07:38,330 --> 00:07:41,050 and that's what we wanna really, sort of look at today. 153 00:07:41,530 --> 00:07:47,410 So I wonder if, you could sort of give us a bit of a broad of what you are finding 154 00:07:47,410 --> 00:07:51,725 interesting about AI at the moment and, what you'd like to talk about today. 155 00:07:52,590 --> 00:07:56,340 Yeah, I mean, so in the last year we've seen a lot more people who are 156 00:07:56,340 --> 00:07:57,840 getting things like access to work. 157 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,990 Work that are getting funded for stuff like, AI based note takers, for 158 00:08:01,990 --> 00:08:06,360 example, or they get given things like, Clickup, which has the AI built in 159 00:08:06,510 --> 00:08:11,370 most platforms that we are using now has built in AI or AI capabilities. 160 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:13,710 And what's really cool about this is that. 161 00:08:14,170 --> 00:08:17,650 When it comes to neurodivergence, we struggle with certain tasks, and my 162 00:08:17,650 --> 00:08:20,890 whole theory around this is it's not the task that we struggle with on its own. 163 00:08:20,890 --> 00:08:23,020 It's the first and last 10% of the task. 164 00:08:23,260 --> 00:08:26,170 It's the getting started, getting the structure, getting the 165 00:08:26,170 --> 00:08:29,650 confidence, but then also the closing the loops at the end and. 166 00:08:29,915 --> 00:08:33,995 What I find really good about AI tools, things like chat, GPT, although I have 167 00:08:33,995 --> 00:08:37,685 mixed feelings on open source language models as the main source of AI that we 168 00:08:37,685 --> 00:08:42,155 use, but things like, you know, Sintra or copilot, all of these different things. 169 00:08:42,455 --> 00:08:46,295 What I love about them is that you can give it information and say, give 170 00:08:46,295 --> 00:08:47,735 me the, give me a starting point. 171 00:08:48,065 --> 00:08:52,085 And for neurodivergent person who's stuck in task paralysis or struggling 172 00:08:52,085 --> 00:08:55,295 with executive dysfunction, what it does is it gives us that starting point. 173 00:08:55,295 --> 00:08:56,705 That means we can do a lot more. 174 00:08:56,775 --> 00:09:00,075 Autonomously it's things like, you know, giving us the bare 175 00:09:00,075 --> 00:09:01,395 bones of a social media post. 176 00:09:01,395 --> 00:09:04,875 So if we're struggling to out what will go well on LinkedIn a day, we 177 00:09:04,875 --> 00:09:08,445 can ask it and it can say, here are some things you could post about. 178 00:09:08,445 --> 00:09:10,005 Would you like me to draft a post for you? 179 00:09:10,095 --> 00:09:13,845 Yes, I would draft me one, but what worries me is that. 180 00:09:14,765 --> 00:09:17,825 I think there's a lot, there's a lot you can do with ai, right? 181 00:09:18,005 --> 00:09:20,495 You know, we've got AI agents, which are gonna be the future 182 00:09:20,505 --> 00:09:21,375 if I'm honest with you. 183 00:09:21,375 --> 00:09:25,335 I think a lot of monotonous tasks do not need to be a human. 184 00:09:25,755 --> 00:09:28,755 There's a lot of things that an AI can look at and be like, do that. 185 00:09:28,875 --> 00:09:32,235 And if you give them the boundaries and the parameters, you can train 186 00:09:32,235 --> 00:09:33,765 that like a, like an employee. 187 00:09:33,765 --> 00:09:36,495 You can give part of your brain to that, and it just takes care 188 00:09:36,495 --> 00:09:38,505 of that one task really well. 189 00:09:39,615 --> 00:09:42,075 But the problem is that people are becoming too reliant on ai. 190 00:09:42,285 --> 00:09:45,435 They're using it to formulate the entirety of something without 191 00:09:45,435 --> 00:09:47,445 actually, validating whether it's true. 192 00:09:47,445 --> 00:09:50,935 Actually fact checking what the AI's putting out, what I'm seeing right 193 00:09:50,935 --> 00:09:55,585 now is that autistic people are using it to get facts, to get information. 194 00:09:55,795 --> 00:09:58,555 We know that the youth now aren't using Google to find things. 195 00:09:58,555 --> 00:10:01,015 They're using generative engines such as chat, GPT. 196 00:10:01,665 --> 00:10:04,245 Which is why a lot of companies are shifting their focus from 197 00:10:04,245 --> 00:10:07,725 search engine optimization towards generative engine optimization. 198 00:10:07,995 --> 00:10:11,565 So when you go to chat GBT and say, give me the five best business consultants, 199 00:10:11,745 --> 00:10:14,775 it's people who've done their GEO that are gonna get burned out of that. 200 00:10:15,075 --> 00:10:17,655 So we're not actually fact checking whether they are the best. 201 00:10:17,835 --> 00:10:20,265 What we're doing is it's pulling information that other people have 202 00:10:20,265 --> 00:10:22,785 said, this is the best person, this is all the good things about them. 203 00:10:23,505 --> 00:10:26,505 So it's just as biased as getting an opinion from another human in some ways. 204 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,235 So I think, what you've touched upon there is something I probably 205 00:10:31,285 --> 00:10:34,265 want to just check in with the audience and make sure what we. 206 00:10:35,365 --> 00:10:40,345 What we mean and understand by AI, because it's a booming topic at the 207 00:10:40,345 --> 00:10:42,655 moment and everything has got AI in it. 208 00:10:42,685 --> 00:10:44,995 The word AI in it, because everybody's gonna think you're 209 00:10:44,995 --> 00:10:46,165 gonna click on it if it has. 210 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:48,450 and what you've sort of highlighted there is, all the 211 00:10:48,450 --> 00:10:51,210 tools that we use already ha are. 212 00:10:51,725 --> 00:10:53,285 Integrating AI into it. 213 00:10:53,675 --> 00:10:56,015 We've probably all used chat, GPT. 214 00:10:56,015 --> 00:10:59,075 So when we say ai, we're probably thinking about that. 215 00:10:59,435 --> 00:11:03,335 But then you've also mentioned that there's agents and those are things when 216 00:11:03,335 --> 00:11:08,105 I think about agents, I'm thinking about those platforms like n8n, where you can. 217 00:11:08,345 --> 00:11:13,465 plug in agents and get it to do plug in different tools and remember stuff 218 00:11:13,515 --> 00:11:15,015 and it can do things autonomously. 219 00:11:15,015 --> 00:11:17,505 and that's, there's a really broad scope. 220 00:11:17,685 --> 00:11:20,095 it's like saying, what do you think about religion? 221 00:11:20,155 --> 00:11:20,725 And there's so 222 00:11:20,770 --> 00:11:21,060 Yeah. 223 00:11:21,715 --> 00:11:26,395 the what that one word in the person you say it to that instantly 224 00:11:26,485 --> 00:11:30,505 triggers them to a point of view of that they have, whereas, and you 225 00:11:30,505 --> 00:11:32,815 can't have a conversation about it. 226 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:34,590 If the person's got another point of view. 227 00:11:34,620 --> 00:11:39,060 'cause it's too big a word to talk about in context of what you mean. 228 00:11:39,060 --> 00:11:44,300 So I think it's important to sort of scale it down to what we mean by AI 229 00:11:44,330 --> 00:11:48,350 and maybe what that, the journey of tools and possibilities and leveling 230 00:11:48,350 --> 00:11:50,420 up what, what we can mean by ai. 231 00:11:51,190 --> 00:11:54,760 And I, I think as well, a lot of people don't have a full understanding of what 232 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:56,980 AI is and the different levels of it. 233 00:11:56,980 --> 00:11:59,440 I think people say that they're expert in ai. 234 00:11:59,710 --> 00:12:02,620 Well, actually what they're an expert in is crafting a prompt for chat GPT, 235 00:12:02,995 --> 00:12:03,155 Yeah. 236 00:12:03,820 --> 00:12:07,590 and from an entry level perspective, chat, GBT is the most accessible. 237 00:12:07,710 --> 00:12:08,610 That's the bottom level. 238 00:12:08,610 --> 00:12:11,430 That is something, it's a chat bot based thing where you 239 00:12:11,430 --> 00:12:12,930 can go and ask it a question. 240 00:12:12,930 --> 00:12:16,000 And the open source language model gives you answers based on its knowledge base. 241 00:12:16,315 --> 00:12:20,945 And that's really good in terms of, it's a bit like Google, you know, we go to it, we 242 00:12:20,945 --> 00:12:22,385 ask it a question, it gives us an answer. 243 00:12:23,285 --> 00:12:24,635 it can steer us a little bit. 244 00:12:24,635 --> 00:12:26,675 It can, you know, based on what it learns. 245 00:12:26,675 --> 00:12:29,215 What's really good is that open source language models learn and 246 00:12:29,215 --> 00:12:30,505 learn and bring more information. 247 00:12:30,505 --> 00:12:33,955 So you might ask it a question now, you might get a different answer in six 248 00:12:33,955 --> 00:12:35,425 months because it's learning all the time. 249 00:12:36,070 --> 00:12:39,430 Whereas things like the agent based stuff, so what Jeanie McGilvery is 250 00:12:39,430 --> 00:12:43,330 building over Autumn AI is agent based. 251 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:47,560 It's very specific things, doing very specific tasks on very specific 252 00:12:47,560 --> 00:12:51,710 platforms with not a lot of scope for, learning from external like models. 253 00:12:51,950 --> 00:12:54,680 It's, you've given the information, you train it on what you know, it's 254 00:12:54,680 --> 00:12:58,670 given parameters around specific tasks and it does something specific. 255 00:12:58,925 --> 00:12:59,085 Yeah. 256 00:12:59,585 --> 00:13:03,425 And I think when we think about AI uses for Neurodivergence, they don't tend 257 00:13:03,425 --> 00:13:04,925 to be using things like the agents. 258 00:13:04,925 --> 00:13:09,345 What it is things like chat, GPT or RA, or Google, Gemini. 259 00:13:09,345 --> 00:13:12,585 It's the open source language models where you can have a conversation with it. 260 00:13:13,215 --> 00:13:15,435 And I think the problem is that we all. 261 00:13:15,855 --> 00:13:18,975 Neurodivergence, we know that part of the neurodivergent profile is 262 00:13:18,975 --> 00:13:20,175 struggling with communication, 263 00:13:20,340 --> 00:13:20,790 Yeah. 264 00:13:21,015 --> 00:13:24,615 a lot of us prefer a text rather than call because you can have a 265 00:13:24,615 --> 00:13:26,145 chat over a text message much easier. 266 00:13:26,145 --> 00:13:29,355 You can formulate your thoughts and I think there is this element 267 00:13:29,355 --> 00:13:31,275 of, it feels like we're talking to someone, so it feels like we're 268 00:13:31,275 --> 00:13:32,895 getting more social juice as well. 269 00:13:33,105 --> 00:13:35,895 So I think that's why people go down that, that route. 270 00:13:35,895 --> 00:13:40,875 And why that's probably the most common uses of a usage of AI in Neurodivergence. 271 00:13:40,905 --> 00:13:42,765 Is that because we like the chat aspect. 272 00:13:43,105 --> 00:13:45,220 Yeah, I think what you've sort of. 273 00:13:46,125 --> 00:13:47,115 Highlighted there. 274 00:13:47,115 --> 00:13:49,515 I, it, talking about the agents as well. 275 00:13:49,755 --> 00:13:54,745 I think, just to throw another term in there, I would say automations, 276 00:13:55,315 --> 00:13:58,105 when we talk about automations have been around for ages. 277 00:13:58,385 --> 00:14:02,655 and for anybody who's not sure, I mean by that, like think about, you do 278 00:14:02,715 --> 00:14:06,465 a, an email campaign, a MailChimp or something, somebody downloads a lead 279 00:14:06,465 --> 00:14:09,025 magnet and then you send, send this email. 280 00:14:09,310 --> 00:14:13,780 After one day, two days, send this email if they reply, if this, that, 281 00:14:13,780 --> 00:14:16,240 and that, that is an automation. 282 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:17,800 And that's been around for ages. 283 00:14:17,870 --> 00:14:23,110 and essentially what we're sort of driving at with agents is saying, how can we 284 00:14:24,340 --> 00:14:30,520 specify an automation, I want it to do this through, to this, this workflow. 285 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:31,200 and. 286 00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:36,580 If you imagine like you, you might have a chat bot for example, and when 287 00:14:36,580 --> 00:14:39,880 you do that with an automation, you probably give it like two or three. 288 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:41,530 Answers to give. 289 00:14:41,620 --> 00:14:45,720 That was how you would do it up until before ai and you'd have to 290 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,080 think about what the possible answers are and that for someone with ADHD 291 00:14:50,340 --> 00:14:52,350 seems like a big, massive headache. 292 00:14:52,350 --> 00:14:56,220 And probably, there's probably a lot of people listening that have got 293 00:14:56,220 --> 00:15:00,990 automation software, but just really can't be bothered To map it all out. 294 00:15:01,230 --> 00:15:04,380 It's a huge job to map these things out as well though, because apart 295 00:15:04,380 --> 00:15:05,670 from anything there's neurodivergence. 296 00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:08,500 we don't see things from anything other than our own frame of reference. 297 00:15:08,500 --> 00:15:11,620 And it's not the fault in our program and that's just the way we do it. 298 00:15:11,620 --> 00:15:15,070 So how can we possibly anticipate people's questions to the extent we 299 00:15:15,070 --> 00:15:19,030 need to when we don't, we can't see the questions 'cause we know the answers, 300 00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:20,800 so why would anybody ask that question? 301 00:15:21,190 --> 00:15:24,940 So it does require like a lot of sort of help to actually 302 00:15:24,940 --> 00:15:26,350 program it in the first place. 303 00:15:26,715 --> 00:15:26,905 Yeah. 304 00:15:28,535 --> 00:15:28,805 and yeah. 305 00:15:28,805 --> 00:15:30,515 And I think that is the key. 306 00:15:30,565 --> 00:15:34,665 and I think that anybody thinking, people probably clicking on ads and 307 00:15:34,665 --> 00:15:39,205 seeing things on, social posts that, you know, LinkedIn, that AI can. 308 00:15:39,620 --> 00:15:41,000 run your business. 309 00:15:41,420 --> 00:15:45,440 It's only gonna be able to run your business if it knows 310 00:15:45,470 --> 00:15:47,060 how you run your business. 311 00:15:47,420 --> 00:15:51,130 And I suppose a lot of the big, the common trap that a lot of people with 312 00:15:51,130 --> 00:15:55,720 ADHD who are running their business is that only exists in your head. 313 00:15:56,380 --> 00:16:00,760 And if you can't tell somebody else how you run your business, you can't 314 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,590 tell AI how to run your business. 315 00:16:02,590 --> 00:16:05,840 So I suppose, it comes back to that, that process of. 316 00:16:06,460 --> 00:16:08,410 Creating SOPs in your business. 317 00:16:08,650 --> 00:16:14,760 If you can create an SOP, you can then train an AI on that, and have 318 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,150 a lot more success than what we, a lot of people might be doing, which 319 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:22,740 is just day they go on, start a new chat, ask it something, and then chat. 320 00:16:22,740 --> 00:16:23,430 GPT. 321 00:16:24,175 --> 00:16:27,505 just wants to impress you by keep going, shall I do this? 322 00:16:27,505 --> 00:16:28,165 Shall I do this? 323 00:16:28,165 --> 00:16:31,425 And it gets so far away from what you originally wanted to do that you 324 00:16:31,425 --> 00:16:35,025 might be forgiven for thinking, well, I've tried check GBT and it's rubbish. 325 00:16:35,205 --> 00:16:38,565 And like you say, you've got reservations about it, but it can be 326 00:16:38,565 --> 00:16:44,235 a lot better if you are a bit more strategical about how you use it. 327 00:16:45,215 --> 00:16:46,280 Yeah, absolutely. 328 00:16:46,340 --> 00:16:48,560 So one of my clients are doing something really powerful in 329 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:50,250 terms of building chat bots. 330 00:16:50,250 --> 00:16:54,250 So she's autistic with ADHD, but a lot mort is than the ADHD. 331 00:16:54,270 --> 00:16:57,590 So it's interest to see how that balances out in different people's profiles 332 00:16:57,860 --> 00:17:00,110 because she's able to capture stuff. 333 00:17:00,110 --> 00:17:01,760 But the a d ADHD is a memory issue. 334 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:04,790 So what she's doing is with her support worker is building out 335 00:17:04,790 --> 00:17:08,710 these SOPs guidelines, rules around the brand to populate chat bots. 336 00:17:08,710 --> 00:17:09,610 specific things. 337 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,950 So she's created one that is a problem solver. 338 00:17:12,430 --> 00:17:15,880 So when she goes to and says, hi, this is the problem that my organization is 339 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,180 facing today, based on what you know about us, how would you go about this? 340 00:17:19,360 --> 00:17:21,190 And it's got all kinds of things like, about how they 341 00:17:21,190 --> 00:17:22,420 like to do their customer care. 342 00:17:22,690 --> 00:17:26,090 How would they like to, post on social media what their brand voice is? 343 00:17:26,090 --> 00:17:28,580 So if it's gonna draft an email, it sounds like her the first time. 344 00:17:29,250 --> 00:17:31,920 it's things like if they're doing fundraising bids, there's a separate 345 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,830 one for fundraising bids that knows all about their objectives, 346 00:17:34,830 --> 00:17:36,270 all about their past successes. 347 00:17:36,510 --> 00:17:38,820 But then it can say, right, okay, you're writing for this one. 348 00:17:39,030 --> 00:17:39,870 Mention this here. 349 00:17:39,870 --> 00:17:40,980 And it gives the right answers. 350 00:17:40,980 --> 00:17:44,700 But it does require a library of information to work from because 351 00:17:44,700 --> 00:17:46,860 if you don't give it a library, it's just gonna pull from the open 352 00:17:46,860 --> 00:17:50,055 source language model, you could get absolutely anything out of that. 353 00:17:50,565 --> 00:17:52,245 And that's quite scary. 354 00:17:52,635 --> 00:17:53,025 Yeah. 355 00:17:53,505 --> 00:17:55,220 And so, so just thinking about. 356 00:17:56,430 --> 00:17:59,550 We mentioned agents, but I think we can get, we'll see if we've 357 00:17:59,550 --> 00:18:00,870 got time to get onto those. 358 00:18:00,885 --> 00:18:04,815 we can towards the end, but I think we can get a lot of practical tips. 359 00:18:05,065 --> 00:18:08,905 this conversation, just talking about what can be done in something like that. 360 00:18:08,905 --> 00:18:10,615 We've probably all got, which is chat, GBT. 361 00:18:10,615 --> 00:18:15,835 So about those you might have or some documents for knowledge base, 362 00:18:16,185 --> 00:18:19,690 I wonder if we could talk a little bit about, Going beyond that, just 363 00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:25,030 click and chat and start maybe talking about what a custom GPT is or even a 364 00:18:25,030 --> 00:18:31,580 project folder and how we can use those to, more specific and more useful. 365 00:18:31,580 --> 00:18:32,480 We chat GPT. 366 00:18:32,850 --> 00:18:36,170 Yeah, so I think the first thing for a neurodivergent person is it's 367 00:18:36,170 --> 00:18:39,950 great to have your own custom sort of GPTs having like folders via your 368 00:18:39,950 --> 00:18:40,940 product, all these different things. 369 00:18:40,940 --> 00:18:43,730 But there are people out there who've already done the 370 00:18:43,730 --> 00:18:45,080 legwork to get you started. 371 00:18:45,350 --> 00:18:47,270 You do not need to start from scratch with this. 372 00:18:47,390 --> 00:18:50,930 There's people like Darius Lucas, for example, who's put together a whole list. 373 00:18:51,290 --> 00:18:54,630 Of starting points, like social media marketer, all these different things. 374 00:18:54,630 --> 00:18:56,370 So they've got a lot of the background knowledge. 375 00:18:56,370 --> 00:18:58,320 You just need to feed it about your business. 376 00:18:58,530 --> 00:19:01,200 It's got the background knowledge to know about the platforms and to know 377 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,000 about all these different things. 378 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,730 it's an absolute waste of anyone's time to try and build that from scratch. 379 00:19:06,730 --> 00:19:10,000 Scratch, because you can get your hands on or people's starting 380 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,920 points for free or very cheap. 381 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:12,450 Yeah. 382 00:19:12,820 --> 00:19:15,525 Don't waste your time trying to do the first 10% of this. 383 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:21,995 So in terms of, so let's just sort of, so a, for anybody that doesn't 384 00:19:21,995 --> 00:19:28,295 know, like a custom G-P-T-I-I is basically a chat, like it's a little. 385 00:19:29,155 --> 00:19:32,275 Chat that you can create that has sort of guardrails in it. 386 00:19:32,275 --> 00:19:32,455 Yeah. 387 00:19:32,695 --> 00:19:35,305 you've got the premium account, you can create your own chat GPTs 388 00:19:35,395 --> 00:19:38,005 and you've probably got access to everybody, marketplaces like 389 00:19:38,005 --> 00:19:39,385 the ones that you've just said. 390 00:19:39,385 --> 00:19:45,440 and that process of creating a custom GPT is uploading documents it 391 00:19:45,470 --> 00:19:46,880 that tell 'em about your business. 392 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,790 But then, and then you know, specific things about what the 393 00:19:50,790 --> 00:19:52,170 process of what it wants to do. 394 00:19:52,170 --> 00:19:53,100 Like an SOP, 395 00:19:53,730 --> 00:19:55,140 You have to treat it like a 5-year-old. 396 00:19:55,140 --> 00:19:57,480 Essentially, what if you are gonna do a custom GPT? 397 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,210 You have to treat it like it's a five-year-old that doesn't know anything 398 00:20:00,210 --> 00:20:03,990 about the thing, and you have to give it all of the information that it needs 399 00:20:03,990 --> 00:20:05,430 to do a job like you would an employee. 400 00:20:05,930 --> 00:20:09,800 but further back when you get an employee, you assume base knowledge, but with a 401 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:14,090 custom GPT, it's pulling from so much and also nothing at the same time. 402 00:20:14,360 --> 00:20:17,420 So you have to be very specific about your business and it's 403 00:20:17,420 --> 00:20:18,530 having these knowledge files. 404 00:20:18,530 --> 00:20:22,610 If you haven't got SOPs, it's gonna be really hard to start that because 405 00:20:22,610 --> 00:20:26,070 you need to have that base knowledge captured somewhere to feed to it. 406 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:27,620 And it's a big job. 407 00:20:27,620 --> 00:20:29,510 It's a worthwhile job if you do it. 408 00:20:29,510 --> 00:20:34,590 But it is a lot of work to do from scratch and, there are benefits to building it 409 00:20:34,590 --> 00:20:37,710 is the first thing you know if you are gonna do fundraising, it is a great 410 00:20:37,710 --> 00:20:41,400 idea to have a custom GPT built around what your objectives are for that. 411 00:20:41,700 --> 00:20:45,720 Yeah, so I was just gonna say if, I mean, I say SOPs a lot. 412 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,990 I think we probably said SOPs a lot in our last episode, but for anybody who's, 413 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,880 doesn't know what that is, it's like a checklist of how to do a specific task. 414 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:59,160 again, for someone with ADHD creating one of those sounds like a massive headache. 415 00:20:59,190 --> 00:21:02,830 But, I, you're probably familiar with the tool scribe. 416 00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:05,405 scribe right where the click by click. 417 00:21:05,690 --> 00:21:05,930 So 418 00:21:06,245 --> 00:21:06,665 I love that. 419 00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:11,390 you just sit there and perform the task, and it's taking screenshots as you do it. 420 00:21:11,450 --> 00:21:15,420 And then at the end of it, it sort of annotates it up like someone has just made 421 00:21:15,555 --> 00:21:18,485 a really well thought out, detailed, SOP. 422 00:21:18,485 --> 00:21:25,535 So there's a shortcut to creating those horrible really important documents. 423 00:21:26,060 --> 00:21:29,060 There is, I think with things like that, like Scribe, the day I 424 00:21:29,060 --> 00:21:32,060 discovered Scribe was one of the best days of my life because a lot of my 425 00:21:32,060 --> 00:21:33,650 clients have memory retention issues. 426 00:21:33,650 --> 00:21:36,830 So if I show them a task on a call and said, scribe away, it 427 00:21:36,830 --> 00:21:38,300 was documented straight away. 428 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,640 You could use that as a starting point and feed it to chat GPT, for example, 429 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:46,620 and say, can you turn this into a written SOP or a, you know, if it's, 430 00:21:46,650 --> 00:21:49,320 if you need to have a policy around it, for example, and you can write your 431 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,060 policy up based on what you've done. 432 00:21:51,525 --> 00:21:55,275 So if you are struggling to get these SOPs in the first place, use something 433 00:21:55,275 --> 00:21:58,995 like Scribe to get your guide and then get it to write the policies around that. 434 00:21:58,995 --> 00:22:02,355 Like you can use it like have you come across Notebook, lm. 435 00:22:04,005 --> 00:22:05,085 I don't know. 436 00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:05,865 Oh, excuse me. 437 00:22:06,790 --> 00:22:07,080 Okay. 438 00:22:07,125 --> 00:22:07,485 is that? 439 00:22:07,905 --> 00:22:11,865 So basically Notebook LM is something that Google brought out quite recently, which 440 00:22:12,045 --> 00:22:16,260 essentially you can create a knowledge base by feeding everything you have into 441 00:22:16,260 --> 00:22:20,500 Notebook, lm. But what it can do is it can actually have two voice models talk 442 00:22:20,500 --> 00:22:22,180 about the information you've given it. 443 00:22:22,390 --> 00:22:25,240 So it's like almost like it makes a little podcast out of your stuff. 444 00:22:25,270 --> 00:22:28,540 So if you are, if you say a bit like, tell me everything you know about this thing 445 00:22:28,540 --> 00:22:31,960 that our company does, it sounds like people are having a conversation about it. 446 00:22:32,140 --> 00:22:34,570 But what it's really good for doing is highlighting gaps. 447 00:22:35,095 --> 00:22:35,635 Yes. 448 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:38,920 So if you don't know your blind spots, you can feed it stuff and it'll 449 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,220 start talking about what you fed it and they'd be, oh, it's missed that, 450 00:22:42,580 --> 00:22:44,020 and it'll help you to fill in gaps. 451 00:22:44,020 --> 00:22:46,690 Like I genuinely have a lot of love for ai. 452 00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:51,300 I just feel like so many of us aren't getting what we need out of it. 453 00:22:51,495 --> 00:22:52,065 that, that's it. 454 00:22:52,065 --> 00:22:55,185 I mean, it's good for, you know, that blank page and if it does. 455 00:22:55,845 --> 00:22:59,925 Produce something, it can sort of, it can sometimes be better at, make making 456 00:22:59,925 --> 00:23:01,425 things more concise than you would say it. 457 00:23:01,785 --> 00:23:04,905 But if it gets something wrong, then you can say, well, actually no, it's not that. 458 00:23:04,905 --> 00:23:09,015 And you can correct it as long as you take the time to sort of review 459 00:23:09,165 --> 00:23:13,925 what it says and check it and don't just send or use whatever comes out. 460 00:23:13,925 --> 00:23:18,795 I just, I mean, I do, talking earlier about, it's possible to, make 461 00:23:18,795 --> 00:23:19,920 shortcuts and there's lots of tools. 462 00:23:20,865 --> 00:23:21,255 out there. 463 00:23:22,155 --> 00:23:26,705 would, a lot of the fun that I've been having is like looking at 464 00:23:26,705 --> 00:23:28,505 how to make things from scratch. 465 00:23:28,755 --> 00:23:35,065 and one of the good things that I found to, is, to, give the 466 00:23:35,065 --> 00:23:37,380 AI a role and literally to say. 467 00:23:38,140 --> 00:23:40,450 You can say, look, hey, chat. 468 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:49,680 You are an expert AI engineer, you are, I am your client and I want to build this. 469 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,480 What questions would you ask me? 470 00:23:51,660 --> 00:23:52,740 If you ask it? 471 00:23:53,220 --> 00:23:55,410 What questions should it ask me? 472 00:23:56,490 --> 00:23:58,470 it will ask you questions. 473 00:23:58,530 --> 00:24:03,990 If you tell it to do something, it will do it, and if your knowledge 474 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,420 is narrow and not broad enough. 475 00:24:07,395 --> 00:24:10,155 you're not utilizing what it is that you don't know. 476 00:24:10,815 --> 00:24:11,055 Yeah. 477 00:24:11,925 --> 00:24:15,540 it's always good to ask it what, you know, put it in the, in an expert 478 00:24:15,540 --> 00:24:18,870 position and ask it what questions to ask, and then sort of narrow it down. 479 00:24:18,990 --> 00:24:25,700 And with that, like I've built like a, I've built a custom GPT So 480 00:24:25,700 --> 00:24:26,000 Nice. 481 00:24:26,250 --> 00:24:31,585 if you create your SOP, you can say, right, I want to, upload this. 482 00:24:32,500 --> 00:24:35,680 I'm gonna upload this and you're gonna turn it into the documents 483 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,720 that I need to create the custom GPT. 484 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,930 So it comes out with the knowledge document that you put 485 00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:44,810 in, and also the instructions to say, this step, and then stop. 486 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:50,630 And so that's a cool way to make g TBTs, but like you say, there 487 00:24:50,630 --> 00:24:52,130 are a lot out there already. 488 00:24:52,575 --> 00:24:52,895 Yeah. 489 00:24:53,420 --> 00:24:57,110 and also I've made a custom GPT that produces. 490 00:24:58,050 --> 00:25:00,120 you've heard of the business model canvas. 491 00:25:01,125 --> 00:25:01,545 Yes. 492 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:08,210 So like the business model canvas is like a really, a succinct way 493 00:25:08,210 --> 00:25:12,200 of describing what your business does and what, how it all operates. 494 00:25:12,470 --> 00:25:12,690 And so. 495 00:25:13,545 --> 00:25:17,175 you can basically go and sort of look at your website and say, is 496 00:25:17,175 --> 00:25:18,705 this your business model canvas? 497 00:25:18,705 --> 00:25:20,655 And you go, yeah, that's pretty much it. 498 00:25:20,655 --> 00:25:22,065 And the value proposition and everything. 499 00:25:22,095 --> 00:25:25,515 And then you've got pretty much like a document then that you can then 500 00:25:26,535 --> 00:25:31,975 inside your, custom GPT alongside the SOP of the job you want it to do. 501 00:25:32,635 --> 00:25:38,355 And it's, that's A whole lot more trained than up a chat and saying, 502 00:25:38,505 --> 00:25:40,455 Hey, can you produce a blog post? 503 00:25:40,455 --> 00:25:40,845 Or whatever. 504 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:41,850 Yeah. 505 00:25:41,850 --> 00:25:44,610 And this is the thing I think a lot of people don't realize that when 506 00:25:44,610 --> 00:25:47,820 you start a new chat, anything you've told it before isn't in that chat. 507 00:25:48,150 --> 00:25:51,380 So if you've spent a lot of time having one chat and feeding a lot of 508 00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:53,960 stuff about your things and then you start a new one, you lose all of that. 509 00:25:54,170 --> 00:25:56,270 So it's very important that if we're going to use it, we need to be 510 00:25:56,270 --> 00:25:59,810 strategic and understand what it is that we are doing with these chats. 511 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,090 before we even go there, and I think this is where a lot of people have 512 00:26:03,090 --> 00:26:07,200 fallen down, because I think people think that, oh, it's in my account. 513 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:07,830 I'm just having a chat. 514 00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:11,010 I say, yeah, but you are using a different chat to last time you've spent time 515 00:26:11,010 --> 00:26:12,360 uploading documents, all that stuff. 516 00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:14,550 And actually, that's not captured in the new chat. 517 00:26:14,550 --> 00:26:17,850 So you'd have to either re-load it all, or you need to use the previous chat. 518 00:26:18,210 --> 00:26:20,490 And there was somebody on my Facebook a little while ago, 519 00:26:20,490 --> 00:26:21,540 very intelligent woman, very. 520 00:26:22,130 --> 00:26:25,250 Successful woman was getting really frustrated with chat, EPT. 521 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,050 'cause it's forgotten everything I've ever told you. 522 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,210 It's well, yes, one, 'cause you've opened a new chat babes. 523 00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:29,780 That's why. 524 00:26:29,780 --> 00:26:30,520 And she's oh. 525 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:34,130 And it was just this moment of it was just totally just ADHD brain 526 00:26:34,130 --> 00:26:35,480 glitch where she's oh my god. 527 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:36,410 As if I've done that. 528 00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:41,060 But it's like from a neurodiversity perspective, I think we don't, 529 00:26:41,090 --> 00:26:43,550 we didn't do enough learning in the beginning with REI. 530 00:26:43,550 --> 00:26:44,960 We just kinda, oh, this is a fun thing. 531 00:26:44,990 --> 00:26:45,510 Let's have a go of it. 532 00:26:46,150 --> 00:26:48,910 I mean, the problem is that I think in some ways we're too reliant on it because 533 00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:51,340 we're trusted to validate our ideas. 534 00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:51,850 Yeah. 535 00:26:51,910 --> 00:26:55,450 And actually what I love about what you said there is, getting it to ask us 536 00:26:55,450 --> 00:27:00,370 questions because it ask, I think getting it to ask us questions that we can feed 537 00:27:00,370 --> 00:27:04,630 it information, but then also getting it to fill in the blanks isn't a bad thing. 538 00:27:05,380 --> 00:27:08,770 I also think it needs to be asking us, and how do you feel about this? 539 00:27:09,010 --> 00:27:11,680 Because the chat says, oh my God, it's the best thing I've ever seen. 540 00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:12,190 Right? 541 00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:15,740 If you've asked it to, reply to you like your drunk bestie, it's gonna 542 00:27:15,740 --> 00:27:17,060 tell you the best thing it's ever seen. 543 00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:20,360 So it might be pulling on old information that you've gone from trends and stuff. 544 00:27:20,780 --> 00:27:24,020 And I just think more of us need to be leaning on our own intuition, 545 00:27:24,020 --> 00:27:26,900 how we feel about the things we're creating and not letting the 546 00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:28,640 language model do too much of that. 547 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:31,010 It's great having it create documents for us. 548 00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:35,180 It's great having it put factual information together, but we still need, 549 00:27:35,450 --> 00:27:40,250 if we're using chatbot based, to actually validate that and make sure that we're 550 00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:42,980 okay with what it's producing because it's our work at the end of the day is 551 00:27:42,980 --> 00:27:44,630 things that we're putting into the world. 552 00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:46,550 We need to be happy with the outputs. 553 00:27:48,195 --> 00:27:52,335 I sometimes as well as sort of asking it what questions it would ask me. 554 00:27:52,335 --> 00:27:56,325 I also, if I've put a lot of information into it, I ask it to 555 00:27:56,385 --> 00:28:01,385 be, Not critical, but I, you know, I ask it to, constructive criticisms. 556 00:28:01,385 --> 00:28:01,505 Yeah. 557 00:28:01,685 --> 00:28:03,425 Can you suggest anything that I've missed? 558 00:28:03,485 --> 00:28:06,320 Or that anything that you don't feel is, valid or whatever. 559 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:08,870 and it, and yet it still starts out with a positive. 560 00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:11,450 It is, it does know how to do a shit sandwich. 561 00:28:12,220 --> 00:28:13,150 I love Sandwich. 562 00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:13,565 Sandwich. 563 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,670 My favorite way of giving feedback, by the way, 564 00:28:15,830 --> 00:28:15,950 it. 565 00:28:16,110 --> 00:28:19,560 but it does say, ah, but you do, if I was to be critical then X, Y, 566 00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:20,645 and z and you are like, oh, okay. 567 00:28:20,985 --> 00:28:26,210 yeah, I think just un like you say, understanding that it, unless it 568 00:28:26,210 --> 00:28:29,420 has got, if you just give it free reign, it's just gonna try and 569 00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:31,310 impress you and go off the rails. 570 00:28:31,590 --> 00:28:33,350 and that's not necessarily what you want. 571 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:34,280 I mean, I don't know. 572 00:28:35,145 --> 00:28:38,715 I don't know what the last, the latest thing is on projects. 573 00:28:38,745 --> 00:28:44,325 'cause project folders in chat GPT are slightly different to a custom GPT, 574 00:28:44,745 --> 00:28:47,805 but there is one sort of frustrating floor with a project folder. 575 00:28:47,805 --> 00:28:52,585 So you can create a project folder and then a custom GPT you can upload documents 576 00:28:52,635 --> 00:28:54,105 and give it some instructions, but. 577 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:57,750 Then you can have many chats within it. 578 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,370 Now, it would stand to reason that those different chats 579 00:29:01,430 --> 00:29:03,260 would be aware of each other. 580 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:05,520 And at the moment, they're not. 581 00:29:05,550 --> 00:29:08,570 So quite do what potentially it could, but I 582 00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:08,840 no. 583 00:29:08,900 --> 00:29:12,230 if they've got any intention to make that a possibility in the future. 584 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:13,820 Yeah, I don't know. 585 00:29:13,820 --> 00:29:15,860 And I really hope they do because it's like the project 586 00:29:15,860 --> 00:29:17,360 folder holds the knowledge base. 587 00:29:17,610 --> 00:29:19,140 That's where all the information is, and all the chats are 588 00:29:19,140 --> 00:29:20,310 pulling from that knowledge base. 589 00:29:20,315 --> 00:29:20,335 But. 590 00:29:21,255 --> 00:29:23,115 it would make sense that the chatter would speak to each other. 591 00:29:23,115 --> 00:29:25,085 This is something that Sintra doesn't do very well. 592 00:29:25,285 --> 00:29:29,565 Sintra gives you 12 AI employees, and I mean, don't get me wrong, it's fabulous. 593 00:29:29,565 --> 00:29:33,735 Like I love my Sintra more than chat GPT, but the chat 594 00:29:33,735 --> 00:29:35,055 bots don't talk to each other. 595 00:29:35,235 --> 00:29:37,785 You populate the brain AI with the knowledge base and it. 596 00:29:38,015 --> 00:29:40,685 What's really cool about RA is I ask you questions every day about your 597 00:29:40,685 --> 00:29:44,055 business so you can give it more information, the chats don't communicate. 598 00:29:44,055 --> 00:29:47,505 So if you are having a chat with, visit the virtual assistant and then you go 599 00:29:47,505 --> 00:29:51,015 to see me, the SEO person, they're not communicating, and that is a really 600 00:29:51,015 --> 00:29:55,245 big flaw with these, you know, multiple chats in one thing because of the fact 601 00:29:55,245 --> 00:29:56,715 that we're having these conversations. 602 00:29:57,215 --> 00:29:59,945 Different personalities, if you like, different employees. 603 00:30:00,125 --> 00:30:02,735 It's like there's no internet connecting the employees together 604 00:30:02,765 --> 00:30:04,295 if you think of it like a workplace. 605 00:30:04,715 --> 00:30:08,435 And I really hope that some of these models do find a way around that because 606 00:30:08,745 --> 00:30:11,745 that is the biggest stumbling point for me is that I need them to talk 607 00:30:11,745 --> 00:30:12,975 to each other and they just don't. 608 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,050 So this, I mean, I've thought about this as well, and this is one of the 609 00:30:18,050 --> 00:30:23,510 reasons why I sort of chose to sort of build a few things from by, by myself. 610 00:30:23,540 --> 00:30:28,020 Sorry, I've just hit the mic by myself, is because if you use 611 00:30:28,020 --> 00:30:29,400 Centerra, I've got Centerra as well. 612 00:30:29,550 --> 00:30:31,440 If you use somebody else's. 613 00:30:32,250 --> 00:30:35,490 Custom GPT, you don't really have access to the documents that 614 00:30:35,490 --> 00:30:40,620 go into it, so you can't update it with stuff that has changed. 615 00:30:41,100 --> 00:30:47,970 And so if you have created your own custom GPT you've got it, you've got 616 00:30:47,970 --> 00:30:49,650 different GPT for different things. 617 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,770 But you know, let's say you've created your business model Canvas 618 00:30:52,770 --> 00:30:56,280 document that you put in each of them so it knows what your business is. 619 00:30:56,970 --> 00:30:58,830 If you are governing your. 620 00:30:59,460 --> 00:31:03,750 Knowledge based documents and keeping it up to date, if anything changes 621 00:31:03,750 --> 00:31:08,010 strategically, you can update that central, that document and then 622 00:31:08,010 --> 00:31:10,170 upload that to all those GPTs. 623 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:15,055 And so it, it gets around the fact that, it talks to them in, they're not talking 624 00:31:15,055 --> 00:31:16,855 to each other, but they're updated. 625 00:31:17,060 --> 00:31:19,730 I do also think about, because. 626 00:31:20,735 --> 00:31:25,125 I'm going a bit too far now, but like how when you are in a company 627 00:31:25,185 --> 00:31:28,845 and there's lots of people using stuff, if you have a custom GPT, 628 00:31:28,845 --> 00:31:30,885 everyone can use that custom GPT. 629 00:31:31,965 --> 00:31:32,625 but. 630 00:31:33,105 --> 00:31:37,425 If you have a custom GPT on your own computer that only you use, 631 00:31:38,265 --> 00:31:40,335 you can get it to do agent stuff. 632 00:31:40,365 --> 00:31:43,815 Like you can go and get it to call something if you're getting 633 00:31:43,815 --> 00:31:46,895 it to do shared stuff on, like on, Google workspace or whatever. 634 00:31:46,895 --> 00:31:51,120 But it can actually start to do, stuff on your machine if 635 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,635 it's got the API to connect it. 636 00:31:52,695 --> 00:31:56,415 But that's something you can't really do if you're using somebody else's GPT. 637 00:31:57,180 --> 00:31:57,390 Yeah. 638 00:31:57,595 --> 00:32:00,925 at that point, you're sort of reaching the limits of what. 639 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,370 Chat GBT can do before you go up to the next level, which is something 640 00:32:06,370 --> 00:32:12,665 like, a platform like, n8n where you are basically, do you know, it's 641 00:32:12,665 --> 00:32:17,315 connecting to all these tools and doing it, and that's another beast. 642 00:32:18,035 --> 00:32:18,815 It is indeed. 643 00:32:18,815 --> 00:32:19,625 And do you know what it is like? 644 00:32:19,625 --> 00:32:23,255 It's something that I am honestly very actively immersing myself in right now 645 00:32:23,255 --> 00:32:27,545 because the thing is that my clients, I know that what we do as virtual 646 00:32:27,545 --> 00:32:29,825 assistants is highly valuable, but also. 647 00:32:30,745 --> 00:32:33,355 If we don't get with the program, we are gonna be out of the market 648 00:32:33,355 --> 00:32:36,085 within five years because AI is growing in the way it is. 649 00:32:36,325 --> 00:32:39,145 So I've got, I'm really excited for my call with Auto AI about to learn 650 00:32:39,145 --> 00:32:44,065 about what they're doing because I think agent AI is gonna be the future 651 00:32:44,125 --> 00:32:50,155 using agents to do specific things like booking your calls or like just 652 00:32:50,155 --> 00:32:51,170 having one that just books calls. 653 00:32:52,025 --> 00:32:56,215 Or having one that just unsubscribes from spam emails or having different ones that 654 00:32:56,215 --> 00:32:59,155 do different things like putting things in your project management software. 655 00:32:59,425 --> 00:33:00,985 That is definitely the future. 656 00:33:01,225 --> 00:33:04,615 And I think what I'm really excited to learn is how to make these 657 00:33:04,615 --> 00:33:07,645 work for my clients so that they can use that in their businesses. 658 00:33:07,825 --> 00:33:10,570 Because the main stumbling block for people with Neurodivergence 659 00:33:10,570 --> 00:33:13,075 is backend admin, because we don't get any dopamine from it. 660 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:13,810 Yeah. 661 00:33:13,995 --> 00:33:15,795 the backend admin is boring. 662 00:33:15,795 --> 00:33:16,335 But guess what? 663 00:33:16,455 --> 00:33:20,865 Ai, AI agents don't have a concept of boredom because they are not human. 664 00:33:20,865 --> 00:33:24,515 They have one specific task where they do that and they do that, and you feed 665 00:33:24,515 --> 00:33:27,935 them the information so that they can do that well, they'll learn as they go. 666 00:33:27,935 --> 00:33:30,125 So if you know, need to adapt things, you can. 667 00:33:30,515 --> 00:33:32,765 what I'm interested in is how the guardrails are set 668 00:33:32,765 --> 00:33:33,575 up for something like that. 669 00:33:33,575 --> 00:33:34,925 So it just does that one task. 670 00:33:34,925 --> 00:33:36,815 'cause obviously we know AI is quite expansive. 671 00:33:37,175 --> 00:33:39,815 I'm intrigued to know and understand more about. 672 00:33:40,545 --> 00:33:44,685 How these are boundaried, how we make sure that they are still learning, but we're 673 00:33:44,685 --> 00:33:48,885 keeping it very, in a tight, sort of, in a tight shell, if you like, because we want 674 00:33:48,885 --> 00:33:52,335 them to learn, but we also don't wanna have to keep going in there and modifying 675 00:33:52,335 --> 00:33:53,295 them because they're going rogue. 676 00:33:53,595 --> 00:33:57,455 And I think there's a lot of potential for these things to go rogue, right? 677 00:33:57,485 --> 00:34:00,515 Like we've seen how chat BT has, you know. 678 00:34:01,325 --> 00:34:04,805 Done some pretty interesting things in terms of acting as a psychotherapist 679 00:34:04,805 --> 00:34:06,365 and coaching people towards suicide. 680 00:34:06,575 --> 00:34:11,475 We've seen this happen, so if open source can do this, like the agents 681 00:34:11,475 --> 00:34:12,885 only need to do a specific role. 682 00:34:13,785 --> 00:34:16,815 We need to make sure that if things are working autonomously and automated, 683 00:34:16,845 --> 00:34:20,385 that they are, they have these stops and checks and balances in place so that they 684 00:34:20,385 --> 00:34:23,715 don't, 'cause the last thing you wanna be doing is neurodivergent, is having 685 00:34:23,715 --> 00:34:26,385 a dig at the backend admin, 'cause the backend administrator has gone wrong. 686 00:34:26,505 --> 00:34:26,925 Right. 687 00:34:27,495 --> 00:34:29,235 So, I'm really intrigued to learn more about this. 688 00:34:29,235 --> 00:34:32,620 It's very kind of new in terms of what I, what my knowledge base is. 689 00:34:32,830 --> 00:34:35,045 Mine has always been sort of, you know, I'm very good at the. 690 00:34:35,710 --> 00:34:39,730 The generative engine type stuff, but the genic stuff is still quite new in 691 00:34:39,730 --> 00:34:44,470 my knowledge base, and it is something that I know I need to be a huge sort of 692 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:47,950 adopter of to make sure that my business is future proof because people aren't 693 00:34:47,950 --> 00:34:49,270 gonna replace me with that thinking. 694 00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:50,110 It's the same thing. 695 00:34:51,445 --> 00:34:54,305 So, I mean, I think just to go back to the sort of the thing that you 696 00:34:54,305 --> 00:34:57,975 were just saying about, what the danger is of letting it go rogue. 697 00:34:58,245 --> 00:34:59,760 I think another thing as well that we are not. 698 00:35:00,705 --> 00:35:02,985 we are not stopping to sort of think. 699 00:35:02,985 --> 00:35:06,785 And question is some of the information that is going into some of these custom 700 00:35:06,815 --> 00:35:10,985 gpt that we might be making for ourselves or people who've made and are selling 701 00:35:11,225 --> 00:35:15,455 is IP Where have they written that all themselves or are they just ripped 702 00:35:15,455 --> 00:35:18,105 off, somebody else's, book or whatever. 703 00:35:18,515 --> 00:35:26,085 and so, there's a lot of that going on without a lot of sort of about what 704 00:35:26,085 --> 00:35:29,305 this is doing for those, the people that have created those in the first place. 705 00:35:29,970 --> 00:35:30,320 Right. 706 00:35:30,835 --> 00:35:35,060 but in terms of, yeah, I, I think the exciting thing. 707 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:41,460 About sort of, looking at, your own business and going back, going full 708 00:35:41,460 --> 00:35:44,820 circle back to where you, where we started in terms of sort of saying 709 00:35:45,240 --> 00:35:49,770 how lots of different platforms are having AI built into them. 710 00:35:49,860 --> 00:35:55,280 I think like a good of how you might be able to look at your 711 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:59,750 business as a whole and how you can integrate AI into that is to. 712 00:36:00,515 --> 00:36:05,315 To look at the tools that you use, at what AI capabilities 713 00:36:05,315 --> 00:36:08,745 they've got those good ones. 714 00:36:08,835 --> 00:36:15,375 Like for example, I use go high level for my CRM, and that's got really good. 715 00:36:16,575 --> 00:36:22,395 Sort of tool, AI tools in it for doing outreach or, picking up conversations 716 00:36:22,395 --> 00:36:24,415 from in, Instagram or whatever. 717 00:36:24,865 --> 00:36:29,815 And then, and then it already has the workflows for, pipelines and you can 718 00:36:29,875 --> 00:36:31,755 upload knowledge documents into that. 719 00:36:31,755 --> 00:36:34,740 So if you're thinking as your business a whole is are the knowledge documents 720 00:36:34,740 --> 00:36:39,930 that I need to communicate to new employee or an AI employee about how 721 00:36:39,930 --> 00:36:44,490 my business works, is to set those up and then think which different 722 00:36:44,490 --> 00:36:46,800 tools can I upload these into? 723 00:36:47,170 --> 00:36:52,180 go along your whole, Pipeline or customer journey and think at which points do I 724 00:36:52,180 --> 00:36:54,770 need, like how much can this tool do? 725 00:36:55,100 --> 00:36:58,400 Where do I need to go to build something in chat GPT or use 726 00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,350 something in chat BT GPT. 727 00:37:00,470 --> 00:37:05,570 then I suppose what we're talking about with the agent is how do you then 728 00:37:05,810 --> 00:37:10,520 connect all of those in an umbrella where you say, once that has done 729 00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,290 that, grab that information from here. 730 00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:17,630 Send it up to this knowledge base in the sky and then go and a 731 00:37:17,630 --> 00:37:20,000 performer task in the next tour. 732 00:37:20,720 --> 00:37:27,140 And I mean, it sounds simple, but it's a lot of, it's a lot of work. 733 00:37:27,240 --> 00:37:29,550 and this is the thing, it. 734 00:37:30,045 --> 00:37:34,905 To, in order to make all that happen, you've got to go back and do some very 735 00:37:34,905 --> 00:37:39,635 sort of human work, which is sitting down if you're, sitting down with 736 00:37:39,635 --> 00:37:44,045 someone or with a pen piece of paper or a whiteboard or a digital whiteboard 737 00:37:44,045 --> 00:37:47,175 and say, what is a, what is the A, B, C? 738 00:37:47,175 --> 00:37:52,035 What is the journey that want something to go on before you can start. 739 00:37:52,935 --> 00:37:56,685 just sit down at chat gt and say, oh, can you make my business work? 740 00:37:57,765 --> 00:37:58,515 Well, no, you can't. 741 00:37:58,515 --> 00:38:03,075 And the thing is as well is that like it is a big piece of work to do, but 742 00:38:03,075 --> 00:38:06,645 it's a very valuable piece of work to do anyway, even if you are not populating a 743 00:38:06,645 --> 00:38:08,235 chat bot with how to run your business. 744 00:38:08,455 --> 00:38:11,215 something I've learned and scaling in the way I have in the last five 745 00:38:11,215 --> 00:38:15,415 years is that if you don't have robust systems and procedures in place, 746 00:38:15,655 --> 00:38:17,125 you're setting yourself up to fail. 747 00:38:17,355 --> 00:38:19,995 we've had to do quite a lot of reactive stuff because my business blew up 748 00:38:19,995 --> 00:38:22,695 overnight and it was the scariest thing, and I'm still catching up from that. 749 00:38:23,025 --> 00:38:26,115 But, like we had to get things like HR policies and process. 750 00:38:26,115 --> 00:38:28,545 You wouldn't hire someone without having basic HR policies. 751 00:38:28,755 --> 00:38:31,305 So why are we deploying AI into our businesses without 752 00:38:31,305 --> 00:38:32,715 giving it the rules first? 753 00:38:32,770 --> 00:38:34,660 that really baffles me in a lot of ways. 754 00:38:34,690 --> 00:38:37,880 But there is this human piece that needs to be done because we are 755 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:39,230 the lifeblood behind our business. 756 00:38:39,470 --> 00:38:43,400 Our AI needs to be reflective of who we are and how we want to do things. 757 00:38:43,765 --> 00:38:49,165 And I think the best advice I would give anyone is pick a tool that you like and 758 00:38:49,165 --> 00:38:51,925 work with that tool almost exclusively. 759 00:38:51,955 --> 00:38:53,275 Not exclusively, but almost. 760 00:38:53,275 --> 00:38:57,035 So like you, go high level, work with high levels in great stuff, 761 00:38:58,145 --> 00:38:59,675 but build on that and work on that. 762 00:38:59,675 --> 00:39:01,985 Use chat that JPT to, you know, generate some of the stuff you 763 00:39:01,985 --> 00:39:05,615 feed into that, but really try not straight out with those two tools. 764 00:39:05,615 --> 00:39:08,315 For me, we use Clickup and I love Clickup. 765 00:39:08,405 --> 00:39:09,695 I don't love their ai. 766 00:39:10,095 --> 00:39:11,265 I really don't love it. 767 00:39:11,475 --> 00:39:14,015 So what I do things like that is like templates and stuff. 768 00:39:14,045 --> 00:39:17,855 But what I do is create my knowledge base using some of my Sentra stuff and 769 00:39:17,855 --> 00:39:19,655 then populate that in a Wiki in Clickup. 770 00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:22,655 So Clickup has got a wiki on how I run my business, so that if I go 771 00:39:22,655 --> 00:39:26,885 to use another tool in future, I got my knowledge base captured and 772 00:39:26,885 --> 00:39:28,445 I can put that into a new tool. 773 00:39:28,445 --> 00:39:31,465 And it's got everything from how often I want to post on social media, 774 00:39:31,645 --> 00:39:35,125 what I wanna post about right down to who replenishes the first aid kit. 775 00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:38,420 One day that might be relevant to ai, but right now it's relevant to 776 00:39:38,420 --> 00:39:42,260 the humans and we need to treat the AI as we would a human employee. 777 00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,060 You wouldn't deploy an apprentice. 778 00:39:44,210 --> 00:39:46,640 It's right, go and do social media marketing when they haven't 779 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:47,990 done any of their qualification. 780 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:48,570 Yeah. 781 00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:52,040 So why are we getting AI with just got limited knowledges of 782 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,190 knowledge of our business and given it tasks to do like that. 783 00:39:55,415 --> 00:39:59,285 think we need, like when it comes to programming these things, we 784 00:39:59,285 --> 00:40:01,895 need to start, like I say, building it up like it's a 5-year-old. 785 00:40:02,010 --> 00:40:05,850 explaining it really simply so that we've got a good starting point to go from. 786 00:40:06,030 --> 00:40:08,310 It's definitely, it's a huge piece of work worth doing because 787 00:40:08,310 --> 00:40:09,930 Neurodivergence hate the admin, 788 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:10,290 Yeah. 789 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,590 but in order to get to the point where we have things that can do things for us, 790 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,420 we need to give it the brain juice first. 791 00:40:15,420 --> 00:40:18,420 And that is never gonna be, there isn't a quick hack or a tip for 792 00:40:18,420 --> 00:40:21,000 this 'cause there's never gonna be a quick and easy way of doing it. 793 00:40:21,330 --> 00:40:24,750 But you can harness the chat bot stuff to capture some of it, to 794 00:40:24,750 --> 00:40:26,040 make that a little bit easier. 795 00:40:26,625 --> 00:40:31,265 I think as well, I mean, you talking about having a Wiki, in Clickup and that's 796 00:40:31,265 --> 00:40:33,155 something that I think is really useful. 797 00:40:33,155 --> 00:40:36,085 I mean, I've been using notion, but I really love Clickup as well, and 798 00:40:36,085 --> 00:40:39,955 I think, I probably want to move across to Clickup a little bit. 799 00:40:40,335 --> 00:40:46,525 but maybe let's just say, you are using chat GPT, to create, post 800 00:40:46,525 --> 00:40:48,655 ideas or, a content calendar. 801 00:40:49,015 --> 00:40:52,655 You might be, there might be two or three people in your business doing that, in 802 00:40:52,655 --> 00:40:54,035 the marketing department or whatever. 803 00:40:54,405 --> 00:40:55,995 it's really useful. 804 00:40:55,995 --> 00:41:00,250 Like we were saying, you know, if you are using a custom GPT, they can all use that. 805 00:41:00,250 --> 00:41:04,510 But what happens if you're using it just on your computer, having well, 806 00:41:04,510 --> 00:41:07,650 you, you said Wiki, but what if you like had like a, here's all the. 807 00:41:08,550 --> 00:41:12,550 posts that we created for Instagram, for LinkedIn, Facebook, and 808 00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:14,250 keep them in like a database. 809 00:41:14,700 --> 00:41:19,260 So, and as you build that up, you can maybe keep like a record of what. 810 00:41:19,830 --> 00:41:22,150 Posts went well, and what didn't. 811 00:41:22,420 --> 00:41:26,940 And so when you go and say, right, I need, to write a post for this, 812 00:41:27,660 --> 00:41:31,650 can say, you can grab one of the successful ones and say like this. 813 00:41:31,890 --> 00:41:35,610 'cause it's always work works better if it knows what you are aiming for. 814 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:39,950 then, I mean, it gives you a sense of, you know, reflecting on what 815 00:41:39,950 --> 00:41:41,540 is working and what isn't as well. 816 00:41:41,830 --> 00:41:44,980 And I think, you know, you could use AI to gather that information up, 817 00:41:45,055 --> 00:41:48,185 but you could say to your chat bot, look at this social media profile. 818 00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:51,225 Based on everything that we've posted in last six months, 819 00:41:51,315 --> 00:41:52,485 what should I be posting about? 820 00:41:52,875 --> 00:41:54,045 You know, there's tools that do that. 821 00:41:54,125 --> 00:41:54,815 what is it? 822 00:41:54,875 --> 00:41:55,535 clue Labs. 823 00:41:55,535 --> 00:41:58,745 They've got a thing where it looks at your social content, looks at what's going 824 00:41:58,745 --> 00:42:00,425 well, and it makes suggestions for it. 825 00:42:00,695 --> 00:42:03,365 That's an AI based platform that looks at your metrics In Hunt 826 00:42:03,395 --> 00:42:04,655 has done a great job of that. 827 00:42:04,965 --> 00:42:08,205 like I, there are so many tools right now that have AI built 828 00:42:08,205 --> 00:42:09,615 in that can do these jobs. 829 00:42:10,245 --> 00:42:13,170 One of my bigger sort of worries is that we are using too many different. 830 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:17,160 Things and it's so easy to go the near as shiny object. 831 00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:17,580 Exactly. 832 00:42:17,580 --> 00:42:20,490 Because we like dopamine, we like things to be novel and exciting. 833 00:42:20,490 --> 00:42:24,820 So we go with these things and like you say with notion, I use notion for 834 00:42:24,820 --> 00:42:28,250 ages, but the problem I had is that you can really rabbit hole on that, right? 835 00:42:28,250 --> 00:42:29,900 Like you can go so in depth and build it. 836 00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:32,060 I've got a, I've got an, if I die. 837 00:42:32,675 --> 00:42:35,825 Thing built in notion with my like advanced directives and stuff and all of 838 00:42:35,825 --> 00:42:37,595 my like financial account information. 839 00:42:37,595 --> 00:42:41,945 So if I died tomorrow or if I was incapacitated, you would know what 840 00:42:41,945 --> 00:42:43,325 to do with my end of life care. 841 00:42:43,535 --> 00:42:45,395 You would know what, how to cancel my credit cards, you 842 00:42:45,395 --> 00:42:47,915 know who my car insurance is with all that's captured, right? 843 00:42:48,455 --> 00:42:51,275 But I built all of this and then never used it again. 844 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:51,830 Right. 845 00:42:52,100 --> 00:42:56,390 So what I like about Clickup is as a system is that it's, well, it, for 846 00:42:56,390 --> 00:43:00,380 me, it feels like if Notion and Asana had a genetically perfect baby, but 847 00:43:00,380 --> 00:43:02,420 what I like is that you can change what the interface looks like. 848 00:43:02,420 --> 00:43:04,910 So you can keep the like that novel piece going. 849 00:43:05,150 --> 00:43:08,360 So I've never had to change tools from that because of the fact I can create 850 00:43:08,720 --> 00:43:10,850 like new and exciting within that. 851 00:43:11,025 --> 00:43:11,315 Yeah. 852 00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:13,430 The problem is that there's something new and excitements that we go 853 00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:16,070 with this tool and actually realize Click probably had that built in. 854 00:43:16,285 --> 00:43:16,575 Yeah. 855 00:43:16,850 --> 00:43:20,505 So I think trying to keep our tools to a minimum and focus our 856 00:43:20,505 --> 00:43:23,535 efforts, if we're gonna be working with ai, focus our efforts into the 857 00:43:23,535 --> 00:43:27,270 tools that where we need to invest and stick to that, which is hard. 858 00:43:27,630 --> 00:43:29,100 Neurodivergence don't like that. 859 00:43:29,100 --> 00:43:32,340 But if we are gonna be investing time and building these AI 860 00:43:32,340 --> 00:43:34,740 models, we need to really be focused on where we're doing this. 861 00:43:34,740 --> 00:43:35,820 We're not wasting time. 862 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,510 We are the queens of wasting time. 863 00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:37,960 Yeah. 864 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,065 I mean, and I think it goes back to, what, what was saying? 865 00:43:42,145 --> 00:43:47,315 about going back to piece of paper and on a whiteboard is to literally spend that 866 00:43:47,315 --> 00:43:53,495 time mapping out your business and what a successful business from, acquiring 867 00:43:53,865 --> 00:43:58,310 a client for them, onboarding them, delivering something for them, making them 868 00:43:58,310 --> 00:44:03,090 come back and then reaching out to, to, to new, prospective leads and everything. 869 00:44:03,390 --> 00:44:06,330 You can map that all out and say, right. 870 00:44:06,735 --> 00:44:08,145 What tools do I need for that? 871 00:44:09,085 --> 00:44:13,585 agnostic of what you've just seen in your feed and what somebody 872 00:44:13,585 --> 00:44:17,005 said on, on LinkedIn is just say, what do I need to make this work? 873 00:44:17,665 --> 00:44:19,585 And then start from there. 874 00:44:19,795 --> 00:44:25,175 And I think if we get, we are terrible for object syndrome and I mean, I mean 875 00:44:25,175 --> 00:44:28,595 you need to look at my subscription bills. 876 00:44:29,585 --> 00:44:30,755 It's insane. 877 00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,265 I, I can, I can relate to that. 878 00:44:34,295 --> 00:44:37,295 I went through about two months ago just to have a look because I thought, 879 00:44:37,475 --> 00:44:38,855 oh my God, I've left my boyfriend. 880 00:44:39,005 --> 00:44:41,345 I need to make sure I'm not wasting money 'cause I need to buy the house. 881 00:44:41,555 --> 00:44:45,335 And when I went through my, I was spending 35 qui on TV channels on Amazon. 882 00:44:45,385 --> 00:44:47,425 excuse me, like when did this happen? 883 00:44:47,425 --> 00:44:50,665 Like I've clearly wanted to watch TV show, pay for a subscription and just 884 00:44:50,665 --> 00:44:52,675 forgotten about 35 quids with them. 885 00:44:53,065 --> 00:44:56,205 And We do this with software all the time in our businesses and we're 886 00:44:56,205 --> 00:44:57,735 wasting money, we're wasting our time. 887 00:44:57,735 --> 00:44:58,905 We're dividing our efforts. 888 00:44:59,115 --> 00:45:02,285 If our efforts are really focused and really channeled and we let our 889 00:45:02,285 --> 00:45:06,035 hyper focus go on just one tool that we are happy with and committed to, 890 00:45:06,275 --> 00:45:07,745 we can accomplish some great things. 891 00:45:07,745 --> 00:45:10,415 But I think the reason people aren't making the progress they want and 892 00:45:10,415 --> 00:45:13,625 make with their AI is that they're trying to do it in too many places. 893 00:45:14,420 --> 00:45:16,640 one of my favorite things, I'll have to say copilot. 894 00:45:16,670 --> 00:45:19,400 I wasn't a fan of copilot at first, I wasn't okay. 895 00:45:19,970 --> 00:45:24,410 But I have a client who works for the government and uses AI for things 896 00:45:24,410 --> 00:45:26,270 like grammar and accuracy check-in. 897 00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:28,220 But the problem is when you work for the government, you can't just feed 898 00:45:28,220 --> 00:45:31,520 government secrets and chat pt because if you are feeding them like the energy 899 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,380 policies for example, that's not okay. 900 00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,360 But what's really cool about the Intel core ultra processes is that 901 00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:41,620 the AI is held inside the computer so it can pull down from the internet, 902 00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:43,150 but it doesn't push back out again. 903 00:45:43,235 --> 00:45:45,305 So what's really cool about what they've done for is get her a 904 00:45:45,305 --> 00:45:47,315 laptop with the Intel core Ultra. 905 00:45:47,315 --> 00:45:49,955 I think she's got an I seven, I've got an I nine in mind 'cause I need something 906 00:45:49,955 --> 00:45:51,315 that can keep up with all of this. 907 00:45:51,585 --> 00:45:51,885 Yeah. 908 00:45:52,665 --> 00:45:56,985 but if she can feed anything she wants into her copilot, but it doesn't 909 00:45:56,985 --> 00:45:58,365 take it back up to the internet. 910 00:45:58,365 --> 00:45:58,485 So. 911 00:45:58,765 --> 00:46:01,685 As much as it's pulling down from, the language model, it doesn't 912 00:46:01,685 --> 00:46:03,095 take her secrets back to it. 913 00:46:03,275 --> 00:46:07,145 And what we were saying before about the intellectual property, but also GDPR, 914 00:46:07,205 --> 00:46:12,095 I've seen it where people have fed their client database at chat GPT, and that's 915 00:46:12,095 --> 00:46:15,695 now public information that is so scary. 916 00:46:15,695 --> 00:46:20,585 Like we feeding our best ideas, our best brain source, our creative novel 917 00:46:20,585 --> 00:46:24,245 idea into something that other people can pull down from The first thing we 918 00:46:24,245 --> 00:46:26,855 need is make sure the language model that we're using is secure enough 919 00:46:26,855 --> 00:46:27,950 to deal with what we want it for. 920 00:46:29,855 --> 00:46:30,395 Before. 921 00:46:30,545 --> 00:46:33,965 Before so many of us even got started on ai, we should have known a lot more. 922 00:46:33,965 --> 00:46:37,265 And I think now people are being a bit more careful because they're hearing 923 00:46:37,265 --> 00:46:40,025 the horror stories, they're seeing the consequences of people screwing it up. 924 00:46:40,715 --> 00:46:43,715 But AI was very much a thing that appeared overnight and it was exciting 925 00:46:43,715 --> 00:46:46,565 and it was great and people were writing sea shanties for their enemies. 926 00:46:46,595 --> 00:46:46,760 Okay. 927 00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:49,835 That might have been me to be clear, but I wrote Channey for a 928 00:46:49,835 --> 00:46:51,035 guy who was bullying me online. 929 00:46:51,065 --> 00:46:52,775 it was one of the funniest things in the world. 930 00:46:53,105 --> 00:46:53,495 but. 931 00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:57,200 We've leaned at this tool for our day-to-day operations without really 932 00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:00,620 knowing things like basic data security. 933 00:47:01,490 --> 00:47:04,790 We've got, I think as a population, we've got so much to learn about ai. 934 00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:09,020 The general person's knowledge of how to use it safely is very weak, 935 00:47:09,090 --> 00:47:09,380 Yeah. 936 00:47:09,740 --> 00:47:12,680 and that's one of the biggest take that says, make sure you know what 937 00:47:12,740 --> 00:47:14,510 that, what the tool that you are using. 938 00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,305 Make sure you know the rules before you start giving it anything. 939 00:47:17,765 --> 00:47:18,365 And that's it. 940 00:47:18,365 --> 00:47:22,565 I mean, it's like a balance between, I wanna be cautious about, privacy 941 00:47:22,565 --> 00:47:23,975 and information and everything. 942 00:47:24,005 --> 00:47:25,985 But also I need to keep up. 943 00:47:26,135 --> 00:47:29,675 So there's a desperation to launch into it as well. 944 00:47:29,675 --> 00:47:32,705 So it's, yeah, it's exciting. 945 00:47:33,275 --> 00:47:37,465 It's, Daunting at the same time, but it, I enjoy exploring. 946 00:47:37,465 --> 00:47:42,325 It feels like a bit of a playground, but I think, yeah, once it settles 947 00:47:42,325 --> 00:47:45,175 down, you can, we can really do some interesting things. 948 00:47:45,175 --> 00:47:48,835 E even just like you say, like on the, from, neurodiverse point 949 00:47:48,835 --> 00:47:53,125 of view, just helping to say, help me break this problem down. 950 00:47:53,275 --> 00:47:56,800 Or, you can get like an agent that knows like your whole sort of. 951 00:47:57,780 --> 00:47:58,530 Life. 952 00:47:58,635 --> 00:48:00,825 it can say, yeah, that's a great idea. 953 00:48:00,855 --> 00:48:04,070 I can help you break that down, you've also got 17 other things, 954 00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:07,220 so shall we park that or, 955 00:48:08,165 --> 00:48:09,785 I come across Goblin Tools before. 956 00:48:10,130 --> 00:48:11,180 I'm not, don't think so? 957 00:48:11,255 --> 00:48:12,275 Oh, goblin's great. 958 00:48:12,275 --> 00:48:15,735 So one of my clients uses it quite a lot because one of her biggest problems is 959 00:48:15,735 --> 00:48:17,655 like sequencing steps for things, right? 960 00:48:17,775 --> 00:48:20,925 So you say at Goblin, I need to write a social media post, and it 961 00:48:20,925 --> 00:48:22,275 breaks it down at steps for you. 962 00:48:22,445 --> 00:48:22,795 Uhhuh. 963 00:48:23,415 --> 00:48:24,485 So That's really cool. 964 00:48:24,485 --> 00:48:27,185 But again, it's a separate tool, so it's like how do we get these 965 00:48:27,185 --> 00:48:29,735 things to be emulated in the platforms that we want to use? 966 00:48:29,975 --> 00:48:34,595 There are so many useful things for ai, but I think the reality is if 967 00:48:34,595 --> 00:48:38,465 we don't keep up with what's going on with it, our businesses are gonna 968 00:48:38,465 --> 00:48:41,675 be obsolete because our businesses need us to embrace the trends. 969 00:48:41,815 --> 00:48:44,935 the trend became being online for your business, so everyone had to get on 970 00:48:44,935 --> 00:48:48,040 board with social media marketing, the trend was, we need to use ai. 971 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:49,120 And we all just started using chat. 972 00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:51,520 BT like it's our new bestie and. 973 00:48:52,225 --> 00:48:55,615 it's hard to keep up with the trends, but if we don't do it and don't do it 974 00:48:55,615 --> 00:48:59,040 safely, we aren't gonna have businesses left over to see the outcomes of it. 975 00:48:59,595 --> 00:48:59,865 Yeah. 976 00:49:00,765 --> 00:49:02,925 Well, we're gonna have to wrap it up there. 977 00:49:03,115 --> 00:49:07,715 but it is, I mean, I feel that we could carry on talking, for ages on this and 978 00:49:07,715 --> 00:49:13,045 it will be very exciting to, see, some time in the future where, you know, any 979 00:49:13,045 --> 00:49:16,325 exciting things that you come up with, it would be great to have you back. 980 00:49:16,665 --> 00:49:19,675 but yeah, thank you so much for, geeking out with me. 981 00:49:21,055 --> 00:49:21,565 I love it. 982 00:49:21,565 --> 00:49:23,305 Like I'm a biggest nerd in the world. 983 00:49:23,305 --> 00:49:26,695 Like I, I just, I get so excited When I had my autism assessment, 984 00:49:26,695 --> 00:49:28,975 I was talking about these things and I'm going like this. 985 00:49:28,975 --> 00:49:31,735 And I previously said to the woman, I don't stem and I'm sitting 986 00:49:31,735 --> 00:49:35,785 here flapping my hands like, oh, that, yeah, nerdy makes me. 987 00:49:38,725 --> 00:49:39,115 Right. 988 00:49:39,145 --> 00:49:39,535 Cool. 989 00:49:39,535 --> 00:49:44,005 Well, thanks Steph for, joining me and, just to remind everybody 990 00:49:44,005 --> 00:49:45,710 where they can, reach you online. 991 00:49:46,780 --> 00:49:48,610 Yes, find me on Instagram. 992 00:49:48,610 --> 00:49:51,130 I am ceo Spicy Brain Collective. 993 00:49:51,370 --> 00:49:54,520 I'm also on Facebook as Stephanie Stevenson, ward Stevenson with 994 00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,370 a v. And yes, I know my name is Stephanie Stevenson for a while. 995 00:49:57,370 --> 00:49:58,630 We don't take the mick out of me. 996 00:49:58,910 --> 00:50:01,970 you can also find my website at the spicy brain collective.com. 997 00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:02,690 Yeah. 998 00:50:03,050 --> 00:50:03,590 Perfect. 999 00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:06,810 All right, well thank you so much and take care. 1000 00:50:07,455 --> 00:50:08,415 Thank you very much. 1001 00:50:09,670 --> 00:50:11,080 Well there, we have it. 1002 00:50:11,110 --> 00:50:13,060 Thank you so much for listening this far. 1003 00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:16,810 If you want to hear more episodes, then please subscribe on YouTube or 1004 00:50:16,810 --> 00:50:19,150 whatever podcast platform you use. 1005 00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:21,130 It really helps us spread the word. 1006 00:50:21,310 --> 00:50:24,130 So if you know anyone, this episode could help, then please 1007 00:50:24,130 --> 00:50:25,270 share it with your friends. 1008 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,840 If you want to follow me on social media, I am on Instagram 1009 00:50:28,900 --> 00:50:31,450 at ADHD underscore goals. 1010 00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:33,550 And you can find me on Facebook too. 1011 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,380 If you want to get into touch with the show, then you can email me at 1012 00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:43,750 hello@adhdgoals.co And finally, if you're struggling to manage your 1013 00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:47,170 ADHD and you would like me to be your coach, then please head over 1014 00:50:47,170 --> 00:50:49,390 to my website and get in touch. 1015 00:50:49,870 --> 00:50:50,860 Until next time. 1016 00:50:51,250 --> 00:50:51,970 Bye for now.